Harris, Cheney work to sway undecided voters, GOP women in 3 battleground states

Harris, Cheney work to sway undecided voters, GOP women in 3 battleground states

MALVERN, Pa. — Vice President Kamala Harris held a series of moderated conversations with former Wyoming Republican Rep. Liz Cheney in suburban cities in the battleground states of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin on Monday during which Cheney worked to assuage concerns that Republicans may have about voting for the Democratic candidate.

“If you’re at all concerned, you can vote your conscience and not ever have to say a word to anybody, and there will be millions of Republicans who do that on Nov. 5, vote for Vice President Harris,” Cheney said to Republicans at the Michigan event.

Cheney and Harris also worked to draw contrast between the vice president and former President Donald Trump, someone they described as a threat, “unstable” and untrustworthy.

Vice President and Democratic presidential candidate Kamala Harris holds a moderated conversation with Former Rep. Liz Cheney at People’s Light performing arts theater Malvern, Pa., Oct. 21, 2024.

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With two weeks until Election Day, the effort was part of the Harris campaign’s effort to reach swing voters in the crucial battleground states. Harris spoke with Cheney in the suburban areas of Chester County, Pennsylvania; Oakland County, Michigan; and Waukesha County, Wisconsin.

The events — aimed to appeal to white suburban women who vote Republican — happened the day before in-person voting began in Wisconsin. The conversations were moderated by Bulwark publisher and longtime Republican strategist Sarah Longwell and conservative radio host and writer Charlie Sykes.

Both Harris and former President Donald Trump had events scheduled for battleground states this week as they worked to win over voters in what’s expected to be a close contest. On Monday, Trump spent time in in the battleground state of North Carolina.

While in Pennsylvania, Harris and Cheney worked to pick off Republicans disaffected with their party’s nominee who may vote for the vice president and focus on the dangers Trump poses to the country and to democracy.

Moderator Maria Shriver, from left, speaks during a town hall with Democratic presidential nominee Vice President Kamala Harris and former Republican Congresswoman Liz Cheney at the Royal Oak Theatre in Royal Oak, Mich.,Oct. 21, 2024.

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“There are months in the history of our country which challenge us, each of us, to really decide when we stand for those things that we talk about, including, in particular, country over party,” Harris said.

Cheney, a staunch Trump critic who endorsed Harris in September despite their party and policy differences, said “every single thing in my experience and in my background has played a part” in her supporting Harris.

“In this race, we have the opportunity to vote for and support somebody you can count on. We’re not always going to agree, but I know Vice President Harris will always do what she believes is right for this country. She has a sincere heart, and that’s why I’m honored to be in this place.”

At the Michigan event, Cheney said that she understood why some Republicans would find it difficult to publicly support Harris.

“I certainly have many Republicans who will say to me, ‘I can’t be public.’ They do worry about a whole range of things, including violence. But, but they’ll do the right thing,” she said.

Vice President Kamala Harris and former US Representative Liz Cheney (R) arrive for a campaign event at Ripon College in Ripon, Wisconsin, October 3, 2024.

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At the final leg in a suburb of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Harris continued to draw a contrast between herself and former President Trump.

“Do we want a president of the United States who spends his full time plotting revenge while they sit in the Oval Office, or a president who is actually focused on the American people?” she asked.

Cheney continued to slam Trump and said he can’t be trusted.

“I think that the bottom line on this, as on some of the other issues, is, you know, you just can’t count on him. You cannot trust him. We’ve seen the man that he is. We’ve seen the cruelty and America deserves much better.”

Democratic presidential nominee Vice President Kamala Harris attends a conversation moderated by Charlie Sykes with former U.S. Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) in Brookfield, Wis., Oct. 21, 2024.

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Cheney voted to impeach Trump following the events of Jan. 6, 2021, and was vice chair of the House select committee that investigated the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. She received backlash from Trump and other Republicans for her criticism of the former president and was censured by the Republican National Committee.

Since her endorsement of Harris, Cheney has campaigned for the vice president — including in battleground Wisconsin, where she called Trump petty, vindictive and cruel.

Cheney is among a handful of prominent Republicans, including her father, former Vice President Dick Cheney, who have pledged to support Harris’ bid.

The number of actual votes these events could move, with just two weeks to go, is small — yet could be significant in states expected to be decided by slim margins, Joe Zepecki, a Milwaukee-based Democratic strategist, told ABC News.

Ideally, Zepecki said, the events would bring over “Republicans available to Harris who might need one last reminder, one last push in that direction.”

George Levy, a 66-year-old voter from Delaware County, outside Philadelphia, said he was an independent until Trump entered the political arena in 2015.

“I’m never going back. I’ll be a Democrat from now on,” he told ABC News as he waited in line to enter the intimate theater in Malvern, Pennsylvania, a Philadelphia suburb that was the site of the first Cheney discussion of the day.

Liz Cheney poses for pictures with an attendee during a campaign event for US Vice President and Democratic presidential candidate Kamala Harris at Ripon College in Ripon, Wisconsin, October 3, 2024.

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“[Cheney] did the right thing for our country, and I’m proud of her for doing that,” he said. “I know she doesn’t agree with many Democratic policies, but she believes in our country and loves our country, and I appreciate her speaking out.”

In a social media post on Monday, Trump attacked Harris for campaigning with Cheney, claiming that the former Wyoming Republican congresswoman is going to lead the United States to go to war with “every Muslim Country known to mankind” like her father and former Vice President Dick Cheney “pushed” former President Georgia W. Bush to the war in the Middle East.

Harris’ events this week will feature more interactivity where voters see the vice president taking questions — including during her town hall with CNN on Wednesday in Pennsylvania.

ABC News’ Sarah Beth Hensley contributed to this report.


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Remarks by Vice President Harris and Liz Cheney at a Campaign Event | Malvern, PA

Remarks by Vice President Harris and Liz Cheney at a Campaign Event | Malvern, PA

People’s Light
Malvern, Pennsylvania

11:54 A.M. EDT

     THE VICE PRESIDENT:  Let’s get to it.

     MS. LONGWELL:  Let’s do it.  Let’s do it.

     THE VICE PRESIDENT:  Good morning, everyone.

     AUDIENCE:  Good morning.

     AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Happy birthday!

     MS. LONGWELL:  Oh, happy belated birthday.  (Applause.)  Oh, yeah.

THE VICE PRESIDENT:  Thank you.  Thank you.  I appreciate that.  Thank you. 

     MS. LONGWELL:  Audience members showing me up — that’s tough.  (Laughter.)

Okay.  So, I’ve got to start with the thing that brings us here today, because I’ve got to say it is unusual for somebody who was as high up in the Republican leadership as Liz Cheney was to be out here campaigning with the Democratic nominee for president. 

And so, maybe — why don’t both of you tell us, but you start: You’ve actually marshaled unprecedented support from Republicans in this election.  Why do you think that is?

THE VICE PRESIDENT:  Thank you, Sarah.  Thank you for being here and for your work.  And the congresswoman, thank you. 

I — I have said before and it must be repeated each time: There are moments in the history of our country which challenge us, each of us, to really decide do we stand for those things that we talk about, including, in particular, country over party.  And you have been extraordinarily courageous in the way that you have done that.  And I thank you for that.  (Applause.)

So, you know, I have in my career now — whether it was as the elected district attorney, elected attorney general, and then elected United States senator, and, of course, now vice president — I’ve counted that I have taken the oath of office six times.  And for the elected leaders here, we know it is an oath that one must take sincerely and unequivocally, which is an oath, among other things, to support and defend the Constitution of the United States and to understand what those principles represent and what they require of the individual who holds the office and the public trust.

And let’s not undervalue that point as well.  It is not about the individual.  It is not about what is in their personal interests.  It is about what is for and in the spirit of the public good.     

 And this is a moment in this election that presents a real contrast among how I, as one of the two nominees, and my opponent, the former president, think of that duty.  And it is a duty, by the way.  There are certain things in our lives that we have the choice if we feel like it — (laughter) — and then there are certain things that are just fundamentally a duty, like to raise our children.  Things of that nature.  It is a duty to take seriously that oath and do it for the sake of the public good and in the public trust.

And I think that at this moment, with the choice that the American people have in this election in — in two weeks and one day, this election is presenting — for the first time, probably, in certainly recent history — a very clear choice and difference between the two nominees.  And I think that is what, as much as anything, is bringing us, as Americans, together, who are understanding that we cannot, with such fundamental stakes being presented, afford to be mired in ideological differences without really staking our claim to the most fundamental ideals upon which our country stands.

MS. LONGWELL:  Thank you.  And, you know, Congresswoman Cheney, it’s a — sort of the same question to you.  But I got to ask: You know, it’s one thing for Republicans to sign a letter.  You know, we’ve seen that she has — Vice President Harris has been endorsed by 200 Republicans in the national security space, all kinds of people from George W. Bush’s administration.  There’s been a lot of people — they’ll sign letters and maybe they’ll go on T.V., they’ll release a statement.  I was just with Republican Congressman Charlie Dent — former Republican congressman here from the state.  He voted for you in his early voting. 

But you are out here campaigning.  You are out here holding events.  So, talk about why it’s been so important to you to be as involved as you are in getting Vice President Harris elected.

MS. CHENEY:  Well, thank you so much, Sarah, for the question.  And — and it’s an honor to be here today with you, Madam Vice President. 

     You know — (applause) —

THE VICE PRESIDENT:  Thank you.

MS. CHENEY:  — for me, every — every single thing in — in my experience and in my background has — has played a part in my decision to endorse Vice President Harris. 

And, you know, that — that begins with the fact that I’m a conservative, and I know that the most conservative of all conservative principles is being faithful to the Constitution.  And you have to choose, in this race, between someone who has been faithful to the Constitution, who will be faithful, and Donald Trump, who it’s not just us predicting how he will act.  We watched what he did after the last election.  We watched what he did on January 6th.

And so, coming to this as someone who’s been a lifelong Republican, a lifelong conservative, also as someone who spent — I spent time working overseas before I was elected to Congress, and I’ve — I’ve spent time working in countries where people aren’t free and where people are struggling for their freedom, and I know how — how quickly democracies can unravel. 

And I know that, as Americans, we can become accustomed to thinking, “Well, we don’t have to worry about that here.”  But I tell you, again, as someone who has seen firsthand how quickly it can happen, that that is what’s on the ballot.  That’s absolutely what’s on the ballot.

I also — I come to this decision as a mother.  I have five children.  And there was a moment right after January 6th when my husband and I were having dinner with our two youngest, our two sons, and I looked across the table at my — my young sons, and I thought to myself, “You know, in the aftermath of the attack on the Capitol, are they going to grow up in a country where we don’t have to worry about the peaceful transfer of power?  Are they going to grow up in a country where that is guaranteed?”

And — and I believe that every one of us in this election has a duty and an obligation to do what we know is right for the country, and that’s to support Vice President Harris.  So, I’m very honored to be here and to do that.  (Applause.)

     THE VICE PRESIDENT:  Thank you.

You know, if I can just echo the congresswoman’s point.  So, I’ve now, as vice president, met over 150 world leaders — presidents, prime ministers, chancellors, and kings — many of them multiple times, to the point we’re on a first-name basis.  And the last few times that I’ve seen them in the relative eve of this election, they are very concerned, our allies.  Because, as you know, when we walk in those rooms around the world representing the United States of America, we have traditionally been able to walk in those rooms chin up, shoulders back, with the self-appointed and earned authority to talk about the importance of democracies and rule of law.

But as all the role models here know, as a role model, people watch what you do to see if it lines up with what you say.  People around the world are watching this. 

And I — I tell you, sometimes I do fret a bit about whether we, as Americans, truly understand how important we are to the world.  I hope everyone does really understand that we represent something — imperfect though we certainly are; flawed though we may be — we represent, in terms of our ideals, the — the basis of our Constitution, we represent a gold standard. 

And when we have someone who has been president, who wants to be president again, who is saying he would be dictator on day one, would weaponize our Department of Justice — one of the principles of our democracy is that we say we have a justice system that is blind, that is not punitive against one’s enemies, they are watching.

So, this is about direct impact on the American people, and it most certainly will impact people around the world. 

MS. LONGWELL:  You know, I’m so glad you brought that up.  And I — I — as a follow-up, I would just ask Congressman Cheney too.  We live in a dangerous time.  I mean, I think Americans are watching what’s happening overseas in Ukraine, in Israel.  Republicans — we used to be the party that would be on the side of our democratic allies like Ukraine. 

Talk to me a little bit and all of us about why, from a foreign policy standpoint, you find yourself able to endorse Democrats, who w- — wouldn’t — it didn’t used to be that way.

MS. CHENEY:  Well, it — it’s not just able to endorse them.  But — but if you look at the numbers of the most senior officials who served Donald Trump — his own vice president; national security advisors; his chief of staff; you know, the — the leading generals who served him — who’ve all said he’s unfit, and people really need to stop and think about how completely unprecedented that is.

And the — the idea — when people sort of say, “Well, we might, you know, be tempted, for some reason or another, to vote for Donald Trump” — if the issue is foreign policy, I would just ask everyone: Think about how dangerous and damaging it is to have someone who’s totally erratic — totally erratic, completely unstable — someone who has aligned himself with, who idolizes tyrants.  He idolizes tyrants. 

You know, the — the — again, the choice here, with respect to national security policy, is a man who has proven — he has absolutely proven that he will not stand up, he won’t defend this nation with respect to our own Constitution and rule of law, and Vice President Harris, who has been clear in terms of support for Ukraine, in terms of recognizing and understanding across the board that America cannot maintain our own freedom and security if we walk away from our allies around the world. 

And our adversaries know that they can play Donald Trump.  They absolutely know that they can play him.  And we simply can’t afford to take that risk.

So, as someone who has spent a career on national security issues — again, this was not at all a difficult choice for me — the — the choice here is absolutely clear in terms of the necessity of supporting Vice President Harris.

THE VICE PRESIDENT:  And — and if I may emphasize, part of the backbone of our national security is our military.  And let’s please not overlook how someone who wants to be commander in chief and was has talked about our servicemen and women; has talked about an American hero like John McCain, who was a prisoner of war — said he didn’t respect him, didn’t like him because he got caught; has talked about our service members as — as though they are less than the most courageous of us. 

 Those who put on the uniform, who represent the United States of America, who are willing to die for the sake of everything we stand for, and he calls them “suckers” and “losers.”  These things cannot be overlooked. 

And — and I have said many times publicly, and I’ll say it again: In many, many ways, Donald Trump is an unserious man, but the consequences of him being president of the United States are brutally serious.  There are things that he says that will be the subject of skits and laughter and jokes, but words have meaning coming from someone who aspires to stand behind the seal of the president of the United States.  These are the things that are at stake.

     MS. LONGWELL:  Couldn’t agree more. 

So, I do want to ask you another question, though, before we go to the audience.  You know, you talk a lot about a new way forward.  You talk about turning the page.  What’s on the next page?  Talk to us about a —

THE VICE PRESIDENT:  You want a preview.

MS. LONGWELL:  Yeah.  Give me — a spoiler alert.  You know?  (Laughter.)  Just —

THE VICE PRESIDENT:  Right.

MS. LONGWELL:  — tell us — tell us what’s — what’s in the rest of the chapter.

THE VICE PRESIDENT:  Well, first of all, I will say that it — it is a metaphor that is meant to also describe my intention to embark on a new generation of leadership.  And needless to say, mine will not be a continuation of the Biden administration.  I bring to it my own ideas, my own experiences.

But it is also about moving past what, frankly, I think has been the last decade of — of the American discourse being influenced by Donald Trump in a way that has had the effect of suggesting we, as Americans, should point the finger at one another, in a way that has been using the power of the presidency to demean and to divide us.

I think people are exhausted with that, rightly.  And it, frankly, does not lead to the strength of our nation to tell the American people that we must be suspicious of one another, distrust one another.

You know, yesterday, I — I did a couple of church services, and there’s a — we — many people here know the — the parable of the Good Samaritan.  And there is an essence — a piece of that, in my own words, that really requires us, I think, to see in the face of a — of a stranger, to see a neighbor.  Right?  That spirit.  And I think we need to get back to that.

The spirit of the American people is such that, you know, we are an ambitious people.  We are aspirational.  We have dreams.  And that is productive. 

It is not productive of us to be a nation of people who are pointing fingers at one another, who don’t understand that the vast majority of us have so much more in common than what separates us.

So, that’s what I mean about turning the page.  And then a new generation of leadership about being ambitious, about all we have yet to do. 

Part of my economic policy — I refer to it as an opportunity economy — is about investing in American industries while leaving none of our traditional, wonderful industries behind; repurposing and retooling the factories that have led to America’s success in industry, while at the same time redefining how we are thinking about which worker has the experience and skill to do the — the job and is qualified and understanding we shouldn’t be falling into a trap that suggests only those with a college degree have the skill or the experience to do the job.  So, let’s look at how we redefine and perhaps even reorder. 

And, in fact, I’m going to start with federal jobs, and then I’m going to challenge the private sector to do the same.  Let’s look at which of those jobs would benefit from a skilled, experienced worker who perhaps went through an apprenticeship program — not a four-year college, but still had a four-year degree, in essence.

     So, these are the kinds of things that are about seeing the opportunity of this moment and investing in it.

     I’ll tell you — and I know this is a controversial topic for many of us — I love Gen Z.  (Laughter.)  Because we have Gen Zs in our lives.  We have kids who are Gen Zs.  It can be complicated, I know.  I love Gen Z.

     These young leaders are so — they’re clear-eyed.  You know, they’ve only known the climate crisis.  They’ve only known active shooter drills.  I mean, we had fire drills.  Not — not our kids, right?

     But they also — they’re — they’re so wonderfully impatient — (laughter) — ri- — no, really, that’s good.  That’s good.  They are ready to get in there.  Let’s invest in them.  Let —

     So, for example, one of my — one piece of my opportunity economy is we got to deal with the reality of where we are right now.  The American dream, for previous generations, was something that people could kind of count on.  Not so much anymore, in terms of homeownership.  We have a housing shortage in America.  We have a supply shortage.

     So, part of my plan is, hey, let’s be clear-eyed about this moment.  Let’s invest in the future.  And as a — a devout public servant, I also know the limitations of government.  I want to work with the private sector.  I have, in my career.  The skills, the breadth, the depth of — of value in those active partnerships benefit us all.

     So, part of my plan for housing is to actively partner with building developers, with homebuilders to create tax credits to increase the supply of housing in America.  My estimate is — I think we can actually do it — by 3 million by the end of my first term.

     Part of my approach that is about a new generation, potentially, of leadership and certainly a different approach: Most of my career was not spent in Washington, D.C.  I say that with pride.  (Laughter.) 

     In that, you know, most of my career was spent as a prosecutor, but I — making decisions that had a direct impact on people’s lives.  You know, I learned at a very young age, as a prosecutor, that the things that I would do with the swipe of my pen could result in someone having their liberty or not.  

     When I was attorney general of California — which is, you know, by estimates, the fifth-largest economy in the world — I was acutely aware the words I spoke could move markets. 

     I like getting things done.  And part of my approach, which is, I think, about a new generation of leadership, is: Let’s cut through the red tape.  Let’s cut through the bureaucracy while still knowing the virtues of the work that we can do in the public sector, be it public education, public health, public safety.

     MS. LONGWELL:  This is a perfect segue into our first audience question, which is going to come from Alexandra Miller from Delaware County.  Main section, right — right there. 

     Hi, Alexandra. 

     Q    Hello.  Hello, Madam Vice President and Representative Cheney.

     MS. CHENEY:  Hi there.

     THE VICE PRESIDENT:  Hi.

     Q    Thank you for taking my question today.  My name is Alex.  I have a 7-year-old son and a wonderful 72-year-old mother who is suffering from dementia and requires full-time care. 

     My son is in second grade, my mother is in a nursing home, and I work full time.  The costs of childcare and of eldercare are staggering.  But simultaneously, professionals that help care for both our children and our elders are generally underpaid, which makes it difficult for them to support their own families and do the jobs that they need to do. 

     How do you propose to help bridge this gap, making both child- and eldercare more affordable for hardworking families and also retaining and attracting quality talent for this — these essential jobs?

     THE VICE PRESIDENT:  So, first of all, you’re dealing with a lot.  You’re dealing with a lot, and I just wish you strength and support.  You are a part of what we call the “sandwich generation,” which are those parents and children who are right in the middle.  They are taking care of their young children and taking care of their parents as they age.  And it’s a lot.

     And so, I actually plan to address this in a substantial way because I actually bring a personal experience to it as well.  I took care of my mother when she was sick, and that work is the work of trying to cook something that they feel like eating — right? — trying to figure out which clothes will not irritate their skin and help them put on a sweater.  It’s about trying to figure out how you can say something that brings a smile to their face or makes them laugh.  It’s about dignity. 

     Meanwhile, you have a second-grader.  You’re trying to teach that kid how to read — (laughter) — spending time with them, reminding them they are special and can be anything. 

     And in the middle of all of that, if you are working or just to have a minute to breathe, it’s a lot.  It’s a lot. 

     So, what — the way that this plays out for many people is — is one of just a couple of ways.  One, if you have the good fortune of having enough extra money, you can hire somebody to come in.  And then, exactly as you said, you — knowing what you just shared with us about yourself — would pay them the value of their work.  Or someone in this position would have to basically spend down all their savings so they could qualify for Medicaid, which means they pretty much have to get rid of everything.  Or they have to quit their job, which means one less income in their household. 

     And this is a matter — this issue, for me, is a matter of dignity — yours, your parents, and the well-being of your child and you being able to do what you naturally want to do, and which — and the thing that we should value in our society, which is someone like you who is taking on the duty and the responsibility of all of that. 

     So, my plan is that instead of those scenarios I just mapped out, we will restructure it so that Medicare covers the cost of in-home health care for your parent so that they can be at home — (applause) — and you can then have the assistance with someone who can help prepare that meal, help them get dressed, and you can still give that baby of yours all the love that they deserve.  And you can have sanity in the process.  And everyone can have dignity. 

     And so, this is — this is my approach, which is let’s just look at this as an — let’s just come at it from common sense, by the way.  It’s just common sense.  And what makes — what is a — a commonsense, practical approach to doing this, because when you are able to be productive, we all benefit, by the way.  When that child is able to have a parent who is able to help them with their reading and remind that child that they are special, we are all going to benefit from that. 

     So, thank you for raising the subject.  (Applause.)  And you take care of yourself.

     MS. LONGWELL:  Okay.  Next we’re going to call on Ashley Scott, speaking of Gen Z — although I guess I shouldn’t assume I know what generation she’s from, but she is a student from Bucks County.  Hi.

     Q    Hi, Vice President Harris and Congresswoman Cheney.  My name is Ashley Scott.  I’m from Bucks County, Pennsylvania, and I am Gen Z.  I’m 22 years old.  (Laughter.)

     MS. LONGWELL:  Nailed it.

     THE VICE PRESIDENT:  Good for you.  (Laughs.)

     Q    So, thank you for that compliment.  But yeah, my question is about maternal health.  Specifically, in the United States, maternal mortality is devastating.  The rates are terrible.  And I was wondering if you have a plan to combat the crisis.

     THE VICE PRESIDENT:  Thank you, Ashley, and thank you for being here and your voice.  It’s a big issue.  So, we have the very, I think, shameful distinction of — of any wealthy nation having one of, if not the highest, rate of maternal mortality. 

     And I’ve studied this issue.  I worked on it was on — when I was in the United States Senate and as vice president.  And the fact is that 90 percent of them are preventable, which tells us we can do something about it, right? 

     And it is an issue — so, Black women are three to four times more likely to die in connection with childbirth; Native women are, like, twice as likely; rural women, one and a half times as likely. 

     One of the common threads that you will see in those demographic populations is a lack of appropriate prenatal care and then care during the term of their pregnancy and then postpartum care.  And we know that when that care is available, they are having a healthier and, by the way, happier experience.  And the long-term impact to all of us as a society, much less to that family, is immense. 

     And so, the work that we have been doing and the work I intend to do going forward is to address that, right?  So, for example, in rural America, the — the way that the system has been structured — the health care system has been structured is a lot of those hospitals and clinics have had to close because of the way we — we reimburse based on population size.  And as people are leaving rural America, then the hospitals and the clinics can’t afford the overhead. 

     I’m oversimplifying but just to make the point.  So, we need to address that in terms of how we’re structuring, how we create incentives and — and give the resources to those health care facilities, be they clinics or hospitals. 

     The other piece that we have to do is really just talk more about the issue around also how, in the health care system, we are treating women and are we taking women seriously when they talk about their health care concerns. 

     So, again, personal experience, my mother had two goals in her life: to raise her two daughters, my sister and I, and to end breast cancer.  My mother was a breast cancer researcher.  And she was so passionate about women’s health care, and I remember it as a young girl and throughout my life. 

     And we still have a lot of work to do to make sure that when she walks into that clinic, that doctor’s office, that hospital, that when — that she’s taken seriously.  And — and that’s also about what we do in terms of training within the profession.  It’s also about what we do in terms of public education to get information to women so that they know that they are not just complaining and they should not suppress or subordinate what their concerns might be about themselves because they’re taking care of everybody else. 

     So, there’s a lot of work to do.  And, of course, there’s a connection between this and what we need to do since the Dobbs decision came down, when we are looking at — I’ve met with a lot of, in particular, OB-GYNs who are concerned that there are kids going through — excuse me, young people going through their medical school who are now feeling deterred from engaging in reproductive health work. 

     And reproductive health work is vast.  It is not only about abortion; it is about a whole array of care.  And we want to make sure that we’re not creating disincentives for people to go into that very, very important profession. 

     And then we also want to make sure that we are, in the whole issue of reproductive care, not suggesting to women or the people who love them that they should be judged, because there is that also when you’re talking about reproductive care, where women sometimes are made to feel or do feel embarrassed to talk about their needs as it relates to their reproductive health.

     And then, of course, I feel very strongly the government should not be telling any woman what to do with her body.  (Applause.)  (Laughs.)  And when Congress passes a law reinstating the reproductive freedoms of women, I will gladly and proudly sign it into law, because I strongly believe one does not have to give up or abandon their own faith or beliefs to agree that — not the government telling her what to do.  If she chooses, she will consult with her priest, her pastor, her rabbi, her imam, but not the government. 

     We’ve seen too much harm — real harm — happen to women and the people who love them around our country since that decision came down, including women who have died.  And I don’t think that most people who — before the Dobbs decision came down — who had strong opinions about this — I don’t think most people intended that the harm that we’ve seen would have actually happened.

     MS. CHENEY:  Can I add to this just to — because I — I think it’s such an important point.  And I think there are many of us around the country who have been pro-life but who have watched what’s going on in our states since the Dobbs decision and have watched state legislatures put in place laws that are resulting in women not getting the care they need. 

     And so, I think this — this is not an issue that we’re seeing break down across party lines —

     THE VICE PRESIDENT:  Right.

     MS. CHENEY:  — but I think we’re seeing people come together to say what has happened to women, when women are facing situations where they can’t get the care they need — where in places like Texas, for example, the attorney general is talking about suing — is suing to get access to women’s medical records — that’s not sustainable for us as — as a country, and — and it has to change.  (Applause.)

     THE VICE PRESIDENT:  Yeah.  Yeah.

     MS. LONGWELL:  So, as we come close to time here, I want to ask you both kind of a final question.  You know, I — I watch the — the conversation in the country and the way that the media covers this election, and it’s often about the race: Who’s up in a poll?  Who’s down in a poll?  And I — I don’t always feel like we’re talking about the stakes enough. 

     And Liz Cheney would not be here if she didn’t think that the stakes were very high.  And frankly, the Republicans wouldn’t be so angry at you if they didn’t think you were an effective surrogate as somebody speaking about the stakes.  (Applause.)

     THE VICE PRESIDENT:  Some Republicans.  Some Republicans.

     MS. LONGWELL:  Some Republicans.  Some Republicans.  #NotAllRepublicans.  (Laughter.)

     THE VICE PRESIDENT:  Because I’ve seen a lot of Republicans — just I’ve seen it and I know it happens — who thank her constantly. 

     MS. LONGWELL:  I — I know it.

     THE VICE PRESIDENT:  Yeah.  Yeah.

     MS. LONGWELL:  I know it.

     MS. CHENEY:  They’re going to vote the right way on November 5th. 

     MS. LONGWELL:  That’s right.

     MS. CHENEY:  They might not think public about it, but — but they’ll do what — what they know is right.  (Applause.)

     THE VICE PRESIDENT:  Yeah.  I agree.  I agree.  I agree.

     MS. LONGWELL:  But just to close and — and maybe starting with you, Congresswoman, so you can have the last word.  Talk to me and all of us about the stakes.  Many people in the room here are undecided voters.  What’s — what’s kind of the last pitch that you would make about why this election is so important and why you believe they should vote for the vice president here?

     MS. CHENEY:  Well, I think that in this election, and especially here in Pennsylvania, we have the opportunity to tell the whole world who we are.  And we have the chance to say, you know, we’re — we’re going to reject cruelty.  We’re going to reject the kind of vile vitriol that we’ve seen from Donald Trump.  We’re going to reject the misogyny that we’ve seen from Donald Trump and J.D. Vance.  (Applause.) 

     THE VICE PRESIDENT:  Right.

     MS. CHENEY:  And we have the chance in this race to elect somebody who you know is going to defend the rule of law.  You know Vice President Harris is going to defend our Constitution. 

     We have the chance to remind people that we are a good country.  We are a good and honorable people.  We are a great nation. 

     And — and in this race, we have the opportunity to vote for and support somebody you can count on. 

     We’re not always going to agree, but I know Vice President Harris will always do what she believes is right for this country.  She has a sincere heart, and that’s why I’m honored to be here and supporting her in this race.  (Applause.)

     THE VICE PRESIDENT:  I mean, I — exactly.  The — listen, so, in my career as a prosecutor — you’ve heard me say this — I — I never, ever asked a victim or a witness, “Are you a Republican or a Democrat?”  Never.  It wouldn’t have even occurred to me to ask them.  I did, every time, ask, “Are you okay?”

     And I — you know, and I feel very strongly that — for example, in — on the issue of partisanship, yes, we’re going to have disagreements, but I actively invite good ideas from wherever they come.  That’s why I’m going to have a Republican in my Cabinet, by the way — (applause) — because I want good ideas.

     And, by the way, I know it is in our best interest as a nation, in our — the interest of our strength and our future as a nation.  We need a healthy two-party system.  We need a healthy two-party system.  (Applause.)

     We need to be able to have these good, intense debates about issues that are grounded in fact.  (Laughter.)  How about that?

     MS. CHENEY:  Imagine.

.

     THE VICE PRESIDENT:  Let’s start there.  (Laughs.)  (Applause.)

     Wow.  Can you believe that’s an applause line?  (Laughter.) 

     Oy.  But, you know, it’s — (laughter) — it’s — 

     We have in our grasp in these next 13 days — 13 days, we are — or 15 days, excuse me.  I — I’m just jumping ahead.  (Laughter.)  In these next 15 days, we have in our grasp the ability to determine the course of our country. 

     You know, every election, we’ve said, “This is the one.”  This is the one.  This truly is the one. 

     I mean, to the congresswoman’s point, the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff referred to Donald Trump as being “fascist to the core.”  And no one would ever accuse the former chairman of being partisan in any way.  The people who know him best — from the former chief of staff; Defense secretaries, two of them; national security advisor to the former vice president.

     And so, we have in — in our grasp — because we still have a democracy.  As the saying goes, as long as we hold on to it, we still have a democracy, which means in a democracy — and here’s the beauty of it — we each have the power to make a decision about the future of our country through our vote.

     And my request, then, of each of you who have spent time out of your busy lives to be here — and I thank you for that — is please just help us get the word out to your neighbors and friends and family members to just remind them of what is at stake and this conversation. 

     I ask for your vote.  I ask for their votes.  And I promise to be a president for all Americans.  I promise and pledge that.  (Applause.)

     MS. LONGWELL:  All right, everyone.  Congresswoman Cheney and Vice President Kamala Harris.  Thank you so much. 

     Yes, let’s give them another round of applause.  That was wonderful.  (Applause.)

     Thank you so much.

     THE VICE PRESIDENT:  Thank you.  Thank you.

     MS. LONGWELL:  Thank you.  (Applause.)


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Harris rebuts criticism of prosecutor past in Charlamagne tha God interview | US Elections 2024 News

Harris rebuts criticism of prosecutor past in Charlamagne tha God interview | US Elections 2024 News

From the earliest days of her candidacy, one topic has loomed over Vice President Kamala Harris’s presidential bid: her track record with criminal justice reform in the United States.

On Tuesday, Harris — the Democratic nominee for the presidency — had a chance to address some of the criticisms, in a town hall-style interview with radio host Charlamagne tha God.

It was also an opportunity for Harris, the former attorney general of California, to bolster support among the Black community.

While the vast majority of Black voters identify with the Democratic Party, recent polls show their backing for Harris is not as strong as in 2020, when fellow Democrat Joe Biden was running for president.

Harris took the offensive on Tuesday, very quickly steering the conversation towards correcting the record about her candidacy.

“Folks say you come off as very scripted,” Charlamagne began, in the first minute of their conversation. “They say you like to stick to your talking points —”

The vice president immediately jumped in. “That would be called discipline,” she quipped.

It was an apparent effort to draw a distinction between herself and her Republican rival Donald Trump, whose public appearances are often described as rambling.

Harris continued to give sharp rebuttals to criticisms of her public appearance as buttoned-up.

“What do you say to people who say you stay on the talking points?” Charlamagne asked.

“I would say, ‘You’re welcome,’” she replied.

Charlamagne tha God, co-host of iHeartMedia’s morning show The Breakfast Club, speaks to Kamala Harris in Detroit for a radio town hall [Jacquelyn Martin/AP Photo]

Prosecutor past under spotlight

A former prosecutor who became district attorney of San Francisco and then attorney general of California, Harris has long faced scrutiny for her approach to criminal justice.

On the campaign trail this election cycle, Harris’s allies have sought to leverage her background to the Democrat’s advantage, framing the race as a battle between “the prosecutor” and “the felon”.

Trump, after all, has 34 felony convictions to his name, after he was found guilty in May of falsifying business records in relation to a hush-money payment to an adult film actor.

Harris herself has leaned into that framing. On July 23, shortly after she launched her presidential campaign, Harris struck a contrast between herself and Trump, who faces a total of four criminal indictments.

“Before I was elected vice president, before I was elected United States senator, I was elected attorney general of the state of California, and I was a courtroom prosecutor before then,” Harris told a rally in Wisconsin.

“And in those roles, I took on perpetrators of all kinds: predators who abused women, fraudsters who ripped off consumers, cheaters who broke the rules for their own gain. So hear me when I say, I know Donald Trump’s type.”

But critics have blasted Harris for that same history as a prosecutor, with members of both the right and left slamming her policies.

Progressives, on one hand, have criticised her hard-handed approach to issues like student truancy: Harris famously championed a state law that would make parents eligible for a misdemeanour if their child were chronically absent from school without an excuse.

In 2014, Harris also opposed calls to implement an independent system to review the fatal use of force by police.

Critics at the time argued that local prosecutors work closely with police and are therefore unable to be objective when deciding whether to bring charges. Harris, however, said, “I don’t think it would be good public policy to take the discretion from elected district attorneys.”

Her opponents on the right, meanwhile, have accused Harris of being lax on crime and failing to adequately support law enforcement.

Decriminalising marijuana

In her interview with Charlamagne, Harris sought to tamp down on the criticism against her by branding it the product of right-wing misinformation.

“One of the biggest challenges that I face is mis- and dis-information,” Harris told the radio host. “And it’s purposeful. Because it is meant to convince people that they somehow should not believe that the work I have done has occurred and has meaning.”

Charlamagne, for his part, called on Harris to answer several rumours swirling around her campaign.

“One of the biggest allegations against you is that you targeted and locked up thousands of Black men in San Francisco for weed. Some said you did it to boost your career. Some said you did it out of pure hate for Black men,” he said, asking: “What are the facts of that situation?”

Harris refuted the allegations, replying, “It’s just simply not true.”

She then pivoted to her work on lowering penalties for marijuana possession, an issue that disproportionately affects Black men.

A 2020 analysis from the American Civil Liberties Union, for instance, found that Black people are 3.64 times more likely to be arrested for possessing the drug, compared to white people. The report, however, found no significant difference in marijuana use between the two populations.

That difference in arrest rates contributes to higher incarceration rates overall for Black men in the US. The Pew Research Center found that, in 2020, Black adults faced five times the rate of imprisonment as their white counterparts.

Referencing this discrepancy, Harris told Charlamagne that she would decriminalise marijuana on the federal level if elected president.

“My pledge is, as president, I will work on decriminalising it, because I know exactly how those laws have been used to disproportionately impact certain populations and specifically Black men,” she said on Tuesday.

Approximately 24 states have already taken steps to legalise small quantities of marijuana for recreational use. But on the federal level, the drug remains illegal, though the Biden administration has taken steps to lower penalties.

In May, for instance, Biden’s Justice Department initiated a new rule reclassifying marijuana as a “schedule III drug”, down from the highest rank under the Controlled Substances Act’s five-tier system.

That reclassification made the drug acceptable for medical use. It also indicated a shift in the government’s position, to acknowledge that marijuana is not as dangerous as the other drugs in its previous category, like heroin.

“As vice president, [I] have been a champion for bringing marijuana down on the schedule,” Harris told Charlamagne. “So instead of it being ranked up there with heroin, we bring it down.”

Charlamagne tha God interviews Kamala Harris in a radio studio
Charlamagne tha God pressed Vice President Harris about her commitment to the Black community in the US [Jacquelyn Martin/AP Photo]

Attacking Trump on ‘stop and frisk’

Harris not only defended her criminal justice work as “progressive”, but she also actively attacked her Republican rival Trump for policies she warned would be detrimental to the Black community.

Throughout his campaign, Trump has championed a crackdown on crime in the US, proposing policies that critics warn could increase the use of excessive force among law enforcement officers — and cause the violation of civil liberties.

Last month, for instance, Trump floated the idea of having “one real rough, nasty day” for law enforcement to address property crime without restraint.

He has also pledged to strengthen police immunity from prosecution and push for increased use of “stop and frisk” policies.

“You have to do a policy of stop and frisk,” Trump told the TV show Fox and Friends in August, envisioning a situation where a police officer recognises a suspect on the street. “Stop and frisk and take their gun away.”

While the US Constitution protects people from “unreasonable search and seizure”, advocates say “stop and frisk” policies allow the police to search suspects in an un-intrusive manner if they have a “reasonable suspicion” they may be armed or dangerous.

But critics warn that “stop and frisk” has been used to racially profile people and harass them without warrant or cause. Some “stop and frisk” policies have therefore been struck down as unconstitutional.

Harris zeroed in on Trump’s support for “stop and frisk” in Tuesday’s interview.

“My opponent”, she said, would have “a formalised stop and frisk policy, for which he has said, if a police department does not do it, they should be defunded”.

“There is so much at stake” this election, she added, pointing to the potential risks for the Black community, which has been disproportionately targeted by such policies.

Pressure on Harris

Harris’s appearance on the radio town hall with Charlamagne came one day after the Democratic candidate made another major overture to Black voters, releasing an “Opportunity Agenda for Black Men“.

That agenda outlined plans for decriminalising marijuana, promoting cryptocurrency and providing one million “forgivable” loans for Black entrepreneurs.

If elected, Harris would be the first woman — and the first person of mixed Black and South Asian descent — to win the White House.

But while she carries a majority of support among Black Americans, some pollsters see concern in how her numbers compare to the 2020 election. In that race, President Joe Biden carried 90 percent of Black votes, according to a survey from The New York Times and Siena College.

By contrast, only 76 percent of the Black electorate plan to vote for Harris, Biden’s vice president, in this year’s election. That’s a significant drop — and the poll showed even lower numbers among Black men.

Only 69 percent backed Harris, compared to 81 percent of Black women.

Trump has tried to make gains in that demographic — and he has even publicly questioned Harris’s identity as a Black woman.

During her town hall on Tuesday, Harris faced questions about her commitment to the Black community. One caller asked her about her “lack of engagement” with the Black church.

Harris refuted that claim too. She replied that she had grown up in the Black church.

“So first of all, that allegation is of course coming from the Trump team, because they are full of mis- and dis-information,” she said. “They are trying to disconnect me from the people I have worked with and that I am from, so they can try to have some advantage in this election.”


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Harris Tells Fox News’ Bret Baier Her Presidency ‘Will Not Be A Continuation’ Of Joe Biden’s

Harris Tells Fox News’ Bret Baier Her Presidency ‘Will Not Be A Continuation’ Of Joe Biden’s

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Vice President Kamala Harris told Fox News’ Bret Baier on Wednesday her presidency “will not be a continuation of Joe Biden’s presidency” if she wins next month, defending her record as vice president in a contentious interview with the longtime Fox host—her first-ever appearance on the network as the race remains razor-thin.

Key Facts

At one point in the almost 30-minute conversation on Fox News’ “Special Report,” Baier asked Harris if anything came to mind that she would do differently from Biden if she were elected, after she said in a previous interview nothing “comes to mind,” prompting Harris to tell Baier she hasn’t spent most of her career in Washington, DC, and she would solicit ideas from Republicans and business leaders.

Later, Baier asked Harris if she had noticed a decline in Biden’s mental acuity, to which she defended Biden’s record but said “Joe Biden is not on the ballot … and Donald Trump is”—a recurring theme from the interview, as Harris often sought to direct the conversation toward Trump.

Harris and Baier kicked off the interview with a contentious discussion about immigration, a tough issue for Harris, with Harris largely avoiding criticizing Biden-era policies and attempting to steer the conversation toward former President Donald Trump and his attempts to kill a bipartisan border bill.

Harris told Baier she does not believe in decriminalizing border crossings, a reversal of her stance in 2019, when she told “The View” she was “in favor of saying that we’re not going to treat people who are undocumented [and] cross the borders as criminals.”

Harris, repeating a comment she has levied against Trump before, said the former president used the bill to boost his campaign and accused him of preferring to “run on a problem instead of fixing a problem.”

Harris also doubled down on her comments this week in which she called Trump “increasingly unstable,” deflecting a question from Baier about her potential presidency and blasting Trump as someone who is “unfit to serve.”

Baier and Harris talked over each other multiple times during the interview, creating tense exchanges that once led to Harris insisting she was “in the middle of responding to” a point that was raised by Baier.

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Key Background

Harris’ interview on Fox News comes after the vice president was criticized by Republicans for not agreeing to more interviews ahead of the election and taking interviews with sympathetic outlets like “The Howard Stern Show,” “The View” and “The Breakfast Club.” Harris also recently made an appearance on “60 Minutes.” Wednesday’s interview marked her first formal sit-down with the right-leaning media outlet. Harris spokesman Ian Sams told Vanity Fair’s “Inside the Hive” the Fox News interview would serve Harris well because of the network’s high ratings—it consistently out-rates CNN and MSNBC—and its share of viewers who are undecided voters. Sams also framed the interview as an opportunity for Harris to speak to viewers who he said are often “fed a bunch of crap” by Fox News, whose opinion hosts are frequent Harris critics and Trump defenders. Trump, for his part, has sat for several interviews on Fox News, but recently backed out of interviews with CNBC and CBS’ “60 Minutes.”

Will Harris Appear On Joe Rogan’s Podcast?

Harris is considering sitting for an interview with the “Joe Rogan Experience,” which is among the most popular U.S. podcasts, Reuters reported—another unlikely platform for the vice president.

Further Reading

Trump And Harris May Appear On Joe Rogan’s Podcast—Despite His Harsh Comments About Both (Forbes)

The Latest: Harris continues media blitz with 3 more national interviews (AP)


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Harris is pressed by Charlamagne tha God on the concerns of Black voters : NPR

Harris is pressed by Charlamagne tha God on the concerns of Black voters : NPR

Vice President Harris prepares to speak with Charlamagne Tha God before “We The People: An Audio Townhall With Kamala Harris and Charlamagne Tha God” in Detroit on Tuesday.

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DETROIT — Vice President Harris tried to address criticism that Democrats too often take Black voters for granted during a town hall on Tuesday with the influential radio host Charlamagne tha God.

Harris defended her track record as a prosecutor, promoted her policies aimed at Black voters and said former President Donald Trump was a threat to democracy.

When Charlamagne suggested that Trump’s vision for the country should be called fascism, adding “Why can’t we just say it?” Harris replied: “Yeah, we can say that.”

Harris’ remarks came at a crucial moment in the campaign, as polls show her struggling to cement the level of support she may need from Black men to win the White House. At the same time, Trump has appeared to make inroads among Black voters, worrying Democrats in a historically-close election.

That concern was underscored in remarks by former President Barack Obama in Pittsburgh last week. He said the lack of enthusiasm for Harris “seems to be more pronounced with the brothers,” which he attributed to a reluctance to vote for a woman.

When a caller asked Harris why Democrats were “waving the finger at Black men” even as Trump is gaining support among other demographic groups, Harris sidestepped the question, saying, “I think what what is happening is that we are all working on reminding people what is at stake, and that is very important.”

Harris took on mis- and disinformation about her record

Harris defended criticism that she is too scripted as being disciplined, and sought to reclaim the narrative about her record, saying her work on behalf of the Black community has been warped by her political rivals.

“One of the biggest challenges that I face is mis- and disinformation,” Harris said. “It is meant to convince people that they somehow should not believe that the work that I have done has occurred, and has meaning.”

“Part of the challenge that I face is that they are trying to scare people away, because they know they otherwise have nothing to run on,” Harris said. “Ask Donald Trump what his plan is for Black America. Ask him.”

Harris plugged her plans to provide forgiveable loans to entrepreneurs, tax breaks for small business start-ups, down payment assistance to first-time homebuyers, Medicare benefits for home care, and tax credits for low- and middle-income families as measures that would help Black Americans.

Harris was asked about her record as a prosecutor and criticism from her opponents that during her time as district attorney of San Francisco she targeted thousands of Black men for prosecution.

Harris called those claims “simply not true,” saying she was “the most progressive prosecutor in California on marijuana cases.” Harris said she did not send people to jail for simple possession of marijuana, and vowed that as president she would work on decriminalizing marijuana altogether.

Harris also took on criticism from Trump for a lack of engagement with the Black church. She responded by speaking about growing up in the Black church and attending the 23rd Avenue Church of God in Oakland, Calif.

“I know where our church, and my church is about saying true leadership, the measure of that is based on who you lift up,” Harris said. “And then he’s selling $60 Bibles or tennis shoes and trying to play people, as though that makes him more understanding of the Black community. Come on.”


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Kamala Harris will sit down with Bret Baier for her first Fox News interview

Kamala Harris will sit down with Bret Baier for her first Fox News interview

WASHINGTON — Vice President Kamala Harris will be interviewed by Fox News anchor Bret Baier on Wednesday in Pennsylvania as she steps up her travel and conversations with media outlets in the closing stretch of the presidential campaign.

It will be her first sit down with the network, and her first interview with a news outlet outside of her ideological comfort zone since becoming the Democratic nominee.

Harris has previously granted interviews to CNN and CBS’ “60 Minutes,” as well as friendly venues including ABC’s “The View” and Howard Stern’s radio show.

Most of the interviews came within the past two weeks, representing a shift from her decision not to talk more with the media earlier in her campaign.

The Fox News interview is slated to air at 6 p.m. ET on Wednesday. Baier is Fox News’ chief political anchor and one of the few prominent people on the network whose identity isn’t associated with conservative commentary.

After facing criticism earlier in her candidacy about avoiding interviews, Harris has tried to turn the tables on Republican nominee Donald Trump. On Sunday in Greenville, N.C., Harris criticized him for not releasing his medical records and for refusing a “60 Minutes” interview.

“It makes you wonder: Why does his staff want him to hide away?” she said. “One must question: Are they afraid that people will see that he is too weak and unstable to lead America? Is that what’s going on?”

Trump attacked Harris and Fox News on social media Monday, saying the network “has grown so weak and soft on the Democrats.”


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Joe Rogan In Talks for Kamala Harris Interview

Joe Rogan In Talks for Kamala Harris Interview

It’s apparently not a conspiracy theory: The Kamala Harris campaign is in talks with Joe Rogan‘s team for the vice president to potentially come on the podcaster’s hit show.

As reported by Reuters, the vice president’s team met with Rogan’s crew this week to discuss a possible sit down.

Harris has been trying to boost her appeal to male voters, and The Joe Rogan Experience is one of the most popular podcast’s in the country with an audience that skews 81 percent male, with more than 50 percent under 35 years old (according to a YouGov poll). Last week, Harris made headlines by going on Alex Cooper’s podcast, Call Her Daddy, which targets young female listeners.

Harris has also recently been criticized for only doing media interviews with outlets perceived as friendly to the candidate. But as the election nears — and the polls tighten — she’s been wading into tougher territory such as 60 Minutes and an interview on Fox News that’s being aired Wednesday night.

In August, Rogan had third-party candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on his podcast (Kennedy has since dropped out of the race). Back in 2020, Rogan also had on Bernie Sanders when the Vermont senator was running in the Democratic primary.

Yet Harris going on Rogan would be a bit surprising given Rogan’s off-and-on embrace of right-wing views and conspiracy theories (such as recently spending a large chunk of an episode trying to convince his guest the Apollo 11 moon landing might not have happened). Also, Rogan generally doesn’t seem to want any topic to be off limits, while Harris’ team has seemingly tried to keep the candidate within her comfort zone during media appearances, so it will be interesting to see if they come to terms.

Neither Harris or Rogan’s camp would confirm (or deny) the reports.


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Here’s What Joe Rogan Thinks About Kamala Harris And Donald Trump

Here’s What Joe Rogan Thinks About Kamala Harris And Donald Trump

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Both Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump are in discussions to appear on the top-ranked “Joe Rogan Experience” podcast in the waning days of the presidential campaign, according to reports, as both try to broaden their appeal to young men, though Rogan has made withering remarks about them.

Key Facts

In a July interview with political commentator Michael Malice, Rogan called Harris “the worst” and an unpopular vice president, said he was bothered to see her suddenly viewed as a “hero” and “solution,” wondered if she was medicated with anti-anxiety medications because of “disconnected ramblings,” but still said he thinks she will win the presidency because people think she’s a stronger alternative than Trump.

In a September interview with comedian Tom Segura, Rogan said, “whoever’s coaching her, whoever’s the puppet master running the strings” is doing a “f****** amazing job.”

In 2022, Rogan said to podcaster Lex Fridman that he’s “not a Trump supporter in any way, shape or form” and has “had the opportunity to have him on my show more than once” but said no each time because he doesn’t want to help him, explaining that his show can “revitalize and rehabilitate” their public image in a “shocking way.”

The “Joe Rogan Experience” has never hosted Trump on the podcast, and Rogan has been outspoken about the candidate, calling Trump a “polarizing figure” and “existential threat to democracy,” although Rogan — a staunch defender of free speech — has also defended Trump supporters and criticized the internet’s portrayal of Trump.

Both candidates have decided to forego traditional media interviews and instead targeted specific—and large—niche audiences through popular podcasts.

Rogan, whose podcast is the largest in the U.S., touts a large audience of young men—including a large Black audience—a coveted demographic for both candidates.

Which Podcasts Has Harris Appeared On?

Harris visited host Alex Cooper on the “Call Her Daddy” podcast, routinely ranked as Spotify’s second largest podcast next to Rogan’s and one of the 10 most popular podcasts for women, according to Edison Research. Cooper said the podcast has a “very mixed” political audience and typically does not discuss politics with its celebrity guests like Miley Cyrus or Post Malone. The episode with Harris episode now ranks as one of the most popular podcast episodes on Spotify. Harris also went on the “All the Smoke” podcast, hosted by former NBA stars in a growing segment of athlete podcasts that discuss sports and lifestyles. “All the Smoke” has hosted guests like Will Smith and Kobe Bryant and has more than one million followers on YouTube. Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz — Harris’s vice presidential pick — went on the “Smartless” podcast, a high-ranking show hosted by comedians Will Arnett, Jason Bateman and Sean Hayes with several hundred thousand followers on Instagram and YouTube. “Smartless” has also hosted President Biden, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton, among other Democrats.

Which Podcasts Has Trump Appeared On?

Trump’s media blitz included the “All In” podcast, a business and technology-focused with more than half a million followers on YouTube; Lex Fridman’s podcast, a high-ranking show with a strong male audience that has hosted Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg for its more than 4 million followers on YouTube; Theo Von’s podcast, which has hosted dozens of comedians and Sen. Bernie Sanders alike for its more than 3 million YouTube followers; YouTuber Logan Paul’s “Impaulsive” podcast, which caters to a male audience in its nearly 5 million YouTube followers by routinely hosting boxers and wrestlers; the “Full Send Podcast” from the YouTube stars called the “Nelk Boys,” who became popular among its nearly all-male audience of 8 million followers on YouTube for prank videos; and the “Flagrant” comedy podcast, which has more than 1 million followers and hosts guests ranging from actor Peter Dinklage to UFC’s Dana White. Trump has also appeared in a Kick.com live-stream for controversial internet personality Adin Ross, which was later posted to his YouTube audience of more than 4 million followers. Most recently, Trump appeared on a podcast hosted by former NFL players called “Bussin’ With The Boys” — owned by digital media company Barstool Sports, which caters to sports and college-culture — which has more than half a million followers on YouTube.

Tangent

Comedian Theo Von — who hosted Trump several weeks ago on his podcast — held a two-hour-long episode with billionaire Mark Cuban, who discussed his support of Harris. Von mentioned in the episode that the Harris campaign reached out for a possible episode.

Key Background

On Tuesday, Reuters reported that Harris’ campaign has been in touch with Rogan’s team, adding another popular podcast to her media blitz in the final days before the election. An interview with Rogan could boost Harris’ campaign as she looks to appeal to more male voters, an identified campaign goal. Trump has said he intends to go on the podcast, revealing last week in an interview with the “Nelk Boys” podcast that he has considered the move. The Twitter account for the “Joe Rogan Experience” has also hinted that Trump may be on the show, posting articles daily about Trump potentially being on the show and asking on X this Sunday if Trump should be a guest. Rogan, who stated he was not politically affiliated with the Republican party, said in early August that he liked Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as a person and a candidate, although he wasn’t endorsing his presidential bid. In 2020, the podcaster shared his appreciation for Bernie Sanders and later said he would rather vote for Trump than President Joe Biden. He revealed on his show that he voted for libertarian candidate Jo Jorgenson in 2020. Rogan has often been criticized for the conversations he hosts on his show, which often give a platform to far-right commentators and potentially dangerous conspiracy theorists. He has also been criticized for spreading false information during the Covid-19 pandemic and the vaccine.

Further Reading

ForbesHarris Sitting For First-Ever Fox News Interview This Week
NytimesJoe Rogan Is Too Big to Cancel (Published 2021)




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Remarks by Vice President Harris and Liz Cheney at a Campaign Event | Malvern, PA

Statement from Vice President Kamala Harris on the Passing of Lilly Ledbetter

Lilly Ledbetter was a tireless leader in the fight for equal rights. 

After finding out that she had been systematically underpaid for nearly two decades compared to her male colleagues, Lilly became an advocate for equal pay. Her efforts contributed to the passage of the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which strengthened protections against pay discrimination, and which was the first bill signed into law during the Obama-Biden Administration.

I have always believed when we lift up the economic status of women, we lift up the economic status of families and communities – and all of society benefits. That’s why I co-sponsored the Paycheck Fairness Act in the United States Senate, a bill that Lilly was a powerful supporter of, and which would further increase pay transparency. And that’s why I continue to fight for the Paycheck Fairness Act – to honor Lilly’s legacy, and continue building a more fair and equitable future for women, and all Americans.

Lilly’s advocacy has improved the lives of millions, and will inspire generations to come. Doug and I send our condolences and prayers to the Ledbetter family.
 

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Fox News’ Bret Baier to Interview Vice President Harris

Fox News’ Bret Baier to Interview Vice President Harris

Fox News announced on Monday that Vice President Kamala Harris would sit down for an interview with its chief political anchor, Bret Baier, on Wednesday, Oct. 16, at 6 p.m. ET.

This will be the Democratic presidential candidate’s first formal interview on the network and will be conducted in the battleground state of Pennsylvania. The interview will be pre-recorded on Wednesday afternoon and air during Special Report with Bret Baier, anchored from Philadelphia on that day.

In the past few weeks, the Harris campaign has availed the presidential candidate and her vice president candidate, Tim Walz, to more media appearances. During the week of Oct. 7, Harris’s 60 Minutes interview aired on Monday night, she appeared on ABC News’ The View and CBS’ The Late Show with Stephen Colbert on Tuesday, and participated in a Univision-hosted town hall moderated by Enrique Acevedo on Thursday. 

Harris also called into CNN and The Weather Channel on Wednesday as Hurricane Milton approached the Florida coastline.

Meanwhile, Walz already has a presence in the Fox News Media ecosystem, appearing on Fox News Sunday with Shannon Bream for two consecutive Sundays. Other planned cable news appearances for Harris in the final weeks of the campaign season include a town hall hosted by CNN on Oct. 23 in Delaware County, PA.

Her opponent, former president Donald Trump, will also participate in a Fox News town hall moderated by Harris Faulkner on Tuesday, Oct. 15, at 11 a.m. ET on the Faulkner Focus.


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